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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Ballantine and ferocious

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prepare to Heather paradigms shifted in

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the truths questioned and now shattered

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reality hi and welcome to shattered

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reality we are your host faroush ax and

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Kate Valentine and we're so happy that

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you joined us again and I think Russia

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wants to go over last week's guest yeah

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on our last podcast we featured the very

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popular veteran radio host and lunar

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anomaly expert Don Ecker and we mostly

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got excellent feedback on our guest

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donnas is such a sweet down-to-earth guy

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he's great guy but a couple of our

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critics told us that we should explore

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the Clementine photos from the

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Clementine mission of NASA a little more

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carefully and we will do that we promise

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you but in the meanwhile we have some

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brand-new news two things have occurred

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on the space watch here that are of

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great interest to us both of which

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revolve around exobiology actually the

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first one everyone knows about that is

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project which recently landed a small

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craft called the fillet on the surface

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of a small two-mile comet and it is now

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that happened is a little bit less known

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aqueous life form yes at least that

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there were more beings like sentient

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yes indeed our guest is Philip Smith

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permanent collection of the Whitney

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Dallas Museum of Art among many other

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places he has also been the managing

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editor of GQ magazine in the past his

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paintings draw inspiration from his

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father's work as a psychic healer and

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his memoir about growing up with his

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father is called walking through walls

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for more information on his book please

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visit walking through walls of the book

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calm and his art can be seen at Philip

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that this is a thoroughly enjoyable book

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having read it and written about it back

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in 2009

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honor as I was really fascinated first

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of all by your title Oh

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little guest house on the property and I

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parents that live next door to each

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playdates or anything and I just knocked

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on the door and no one answered I kept

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knocking knocking knocking and finally

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this guy I'd never seen before slowly

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movie and he just looks down at me and

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he said your father's and trans he's

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communicating with the ninth plane and

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he looks back at me he said haven't you

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learned to walk through walls yet you're

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your father's son so that's where the

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title about my father's miracles and

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about being his son he's certain

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obviously had a huge influence on you

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dead Oh a remarkable remarkable guy he

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country and he always had a sense of

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that there was something else out there

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television and an ad and I wanted one of

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those sort of picture-perfect dads I

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wanted you know I wanted to drink

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refrigerator and he was definitely not

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that he was an interior decorator that

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he worked for the president of Cuba he

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the Gold Rush and then one day out of

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the blue in the 60s he discovers that he

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people and our lives just totally

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of this was talked about more

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importantly the medical industry let's

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cat scans or MRIs so where there really

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very creative man to realizing that he

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thoughtless I read like 1963 and he's

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what the hell's that so that gives you a

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strange well I want to tell you one

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know was entertaining there and got

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fired really was it was unchristian to

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what you just said but but teleport back

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50 years and that yes by that and get a

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sense of the kind of because my father

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for practicing medicine without a

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license he gets thrown out of hospital

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middle of the night threatening his life

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much closer to the 19th century when you

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doing macrobiotics and he started

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meditating and then little by little

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the morning from them my mom you know my

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led a very glamorous life I mean yeah it

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to Cuba for the weekend and she'd go

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gambling and he'd meet with the

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president over work and or you know they

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go out to Palm Beach whatever and all of

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a sudden you've got people in

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wheelchairs or blind babies coming to

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she supported my father and what he was

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going through but it was it was strange

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only child or did you yes Oh like I got

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a code of silence because I knew that

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a normal kid and I pretended my father

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sold insurance and we were like Ozzie

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and Harriet because I was protecting my

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parents and I but when I was home it was

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perfectly normal for my father to you

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don't know exactly what I said or did

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during the day or when I got older when

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I was a bad kid and was doing some

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experimenting with with with drugs he'd

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know where I hid them and he just need

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just I became totally transparent

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because he he just knew what I was

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thinking what I was doing well I I have

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to say here Phillip that the way that I

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was drawn to you and your story and your

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book is really quite amazing I picked it

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up initially back in 2009 not by

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accident I went to the library and it

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was a new book on the shelf and walking

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through walls it sounds like my kind of

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thing and I picked it up and I read it

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and if you possibly recall back then I

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did write a blog piece that included the

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books that I was reading and your book

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was one of the two books that I had

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noted and I had just been at that

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juncture to Coral Castle and you and

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your father went to Coral Castle and I

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grew up with my father being a psychic

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though he did not work as a psychic the

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way your father did he just he made

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talismans and he talked to dead people

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and he would tell me when I was sitting

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in the back seat of the car or your

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grandfather sitting next to you that

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sort of thing and unlike you though I

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never wanted to be normal I was quite

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happy being abnormal and I too went to

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school for art but I have turned out to

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be a a psychic reader and just as we

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were thinking about our second podcast I

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found a note from you on my on my blog a

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you know kind of cryptic little note on

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my blogs mentioning your book and I said

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boy that would be a great guest Phillip

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Smith would be a great guest for our

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podcast so it was has all been kind of

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synchronistic we could say mm-hmm well

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that that you know I think that

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this idea of synchronicity or this idea

321
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of happy accidents or whatever I think

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that once you once you enter that energy

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stream that it just takes you there I

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think that these things just once you

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sort of agree to sign on that this is

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this is how you see the world this is

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your belief system off you go

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well that's the whole title of this

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podcast is shattered reality like the

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reality of course is Ozzie and Harriet

331
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and we all know that that definitely was

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abnormal because ain't nobody like I was

333
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he and Harriet out there I don't think

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although they they say that they

335
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themselves were pretty they pretty much

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lived the show life but I don't know you

337
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know I saw a bumper sticker on a car

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that said everybody's normal until you

339
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get to know them so but but really I

340
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mean for you you are living in two

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realities just as you said you walked

342
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out your dad sold insurance and

343
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everything was hunky-dory and then you

344
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got home and he could so he actually was

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so attuned in to you he knew where you

346
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were and what you were doing that's not

347
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always a good thing well he part of it

348
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is one of the the tools he used for

349
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diagnosing people was was a pendulum so

350
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he would take the pendulum and he would

351
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he would be able to diagnose people as

352
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to what their disease was it didn't

353
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matter whether they were in the room or

354
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if they were sitting in in Brazil but he

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would use that pendulum on me as well

356
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and he knew exactly what I was doing

357
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it's funny no it growing up as a kid you

358
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do need privacy you do need space and

359
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and knowing that you're basically

360
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transparent your father you could be

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doing all sorts of things and you get

362
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home and you put on a smile and he knows

363
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exactly where you were what you did but

364
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you know as you get older you kind of

365
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miss that it's great to have someone

366
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looking out for you absolutely but you

367
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know of course Phillip he's still

368
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looking out for you oh there's there's

369
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no question there's no question do you

370
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see like actual

371
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actions or it just is it just the

372
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feeling that he's there or is there some

373
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sort of I don't know like a movement of

374
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like III really I agree with you

375
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Ferruccio that I'm sure your dad's still

376
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looking out for you but you just sense

377
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his presence or is there some way he

378
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lets you know about it there's a couple

379
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things one is I about the last year I

380
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think dictation from him every night I

381
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sit down and really he starts talking to

382
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me so I start writing but usually during

383
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the day he will he will kind of like

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tickle my my left earlobe and at first I

385
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thought it was a bug and I kept swapping

386
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it away then I thought maybe I had a

387
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rash then I thought I was allergic to

388
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something but there it was and actually

389
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on the website you'll see I forgot about

390
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this until this started happening to me

391
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but you'll see a little tiny drawing

392
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that my father did of his face it's a

393
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little line drawing ha ha and on the

394
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face our doc and next to the dots are

395
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people's names and those are the places

396
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where if if a certain doctor in spirit

397
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wanted to communicate with him they

398
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might tap him on the right side of his

399
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nose or just under his eye so he had

400
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mapped this out so that he knew who was

401
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coming in because there were so many

402
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people talking to him he wants to make

403
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sure he knew you know who was checking

404
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in and I had totally forgotten it until

405
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I just told you this story because it's

406
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the same thing I mean that's I think why

407
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he does pat me on my left ear because

408
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that's how he was communicated with

409
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interesting very interesting um can you

410
00:19:50,620 --> 00:19:46,770
give us a couple of or you know stories

411
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typical of his powers or his his

412
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abilities that you could share with our

413
00:20:06,230 --> 00:20:02,880
listeners sure well there's one that

414
00:20:09,049 --> 00:20:06,240
happened to me I had let's see how I was

415
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17 and I

416
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I had been working you know I guess in I

417
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was a janitor or something on weekends

418
00:20:18,409 --> 00:20:15,870
and I've been saving my money my my

419
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girlfriend at the time and I we decided

420
00:20:22,340 --> 00:20:20,340
we're gonna go to Europe and back then

421
00:20:24,139 --> 00:20:22,350
that's kind of what hippies did you went

422
00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:24,149
to Europe you bought a cheap ticket you

423
00:20:30,259 --> 00:20:27,570
flew to Iceland there I thank you yes

424
00:20:32,509 --> 00:20:30,269
that that's what you did it was I don't

425
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:32,519
know maybe three four hundred dollars or

426
00:20:35,690 --> 00:20:33,450
something wrong yeah

427
00:20:37,879 --> 00:20:35,700
and he took a backpack in a sleeping bag

428
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:37,889
and off he went to bring sand all over

429
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so I was go imeem today I don't know

430
00:20:46,609 --> 00:20:43,409
that people would let their kids do this

431
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but so I gave him an itinerary that we

432
00:20:53,659 --> 00:20:49,889
were that we were doing and we were on a

433
00:20:57,889 --> 00:20:53,669
train and my girlfriend at the time was

434
00:20:59,570 --> 00:20:57,899
Cuba is Cuban was Cuban and obviously

435
00:21:01,249 --> 00:20:59,580
speaks Spanish so she we were gonna go

436
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:01,259
to Paris she said well why don't we go

437
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:03,570
to Spain since I speak Spanish I said

438
00:21:07,549 --> 00:21:04,440
okay

439
00:21:09,580 --> 00:21:07,559
so we you know we're kids we're 17 we

440
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:09,590
just changed our plan we go to Spain and

441
00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:11,970
when we got there I I must have eaten

442
00:21:18,409 --> 00:21:15,210
something or I don't know I touched

443
00:21:19,850 --> 00:21:18,419
something but I I got so sick in a way

444
00:21:22,239 --> 00:21:19,860
that I've never been before and they

445
00:21:24,889 --> 00:21:22,249
called a doctor and the doctor basically

446
00:21:28,369 --> 00:21:24,899
thought I was going to die and doing

447
00:21:30,769 --> 00:21:28,379
thing and I was sweating I was vomiting

448
00:21:35,930 --> 00:21:30,779
I was you know a hundred and five fever

449
00:21:37,549 --> 00:21:35,940
and she's crying we you know we're in

450
00:21:40,190 --> 00:21:37,559
this little Pensione that we're paying

451
00:21:45,399 --> 00:21:40,200
you know $17 a night for so we're not

452
00:21:48,019 --> 00:21:45,409
exactly you know near a hospital and

453
00:21:50,419 --> 00:21:48,029
about two three hours into it all of a

454
00:21:52,730 --> 00:21:50,429
sudden one second later I'm just burning

455
00:21:55,279 --> 00:21:52,740
with fever and then it stops and I kind

456
00:21:56,450 --> 00:21:55,289
of wake up and I say where am I and she

457
00:21:58,039 --> 00:21:56,460
says oh my god I thought you were gonna

458
00:22:02,090 --> 00:21:58,049
die the doctor was here we couldn't

459
00:22:04,070 --> 00:22:02,100
revive you and we went on with our trip

460
00:22:06,109 --> 00:22:04,080
and when I got home the first thing I

461
00:22:09,950 --> 00:22:06,119
did was I called my father I said hi pop

462
00:22:11,330 --> 00:22:09,960
I'm home and he said immediately you

463
00:22:13,639 --> 00:22:11,340
know I'm really sorry what happened in

464
00:22:15,980 --> 00:22:13,649
Spain and I forgot about the incident

465
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:15,990
and I said what are you talking about he

466
00:22:20,899 --> 00:22:17,610
said well you almost died you had this

467
00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:20,909
horrible fever and you had this horrific

468
00:22:24,649 --> 00:22:22,470
infection which

469
00:22:27,770 --> 00:22:24,659
he said the problem is the reason you

470
00:22:29,330 --> 00:22:27,780
got so sick and it lasted so long is you

471
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:29,340
changed your itinerary you didn't tell

472
00:22:34,700 --> 00:22:32,010
me and I got basically noticed from the

473
00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:34,710
spirits that you were sick and I didn't

474
00:22:38,149 --> 00:22:36,030
know where you were cuz I thought you're

475
00:22:40,100 --> 00:22:38,159
associating in Paris so I took out an

476
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,110
atlas there was no internet back then I

477
00:22:44,270 --> 00:22:42,000
took out the atlas and I was dowsing

478
00:22:45,710 --> 00:22:44,280
every country in Europe until I found

479
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:45,720
that you were in Madrid you were in

480
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:47,970
Spain and then I was able to kind of

481
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,730
hook into you and locate you connect

482
00:22:55,039 --> 00:22:52,799
with you and then I got you better but

483
00:22:57,470 --> 00:22:55,049
that's why it took so long some hand you

484
00:23:03,260 --> 00:22:57,480
know I'm a kid and it's like why don't

485
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,270
you leave me alone lately and today I

486
00:23:10,190 --> 00:23:05,940
would I love the idea that he did that

487
00:23:14,180 --> 00:23:10,200
yeah it's quite amazing and it actually

488
00:23:16,490 --> 00:23:14,190
happened to which I think that's it's

489
00:23:18,740 --> 00:23:16,500
you know obviously it happened but you

490
00:23:21,020 --> 00:23:18,750
know some of these things that you hear

491
00:23:24,260 --> 00:23:21,030
that's what's so much fun about this

492
00:23:26,899 --> 00:23:24,270
podcast it's so outside anything that

493
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:26,909
you typically come across in daily life

494
00:23:32,419 --> 00:23:30,480
I mean that's an amazing ability one

495
00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:32,429
that he knew you were in Spain I mean

496
00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:35,370
that alone and two that he was able to

497
00:23:41,930 --> 00:23:39,120
cure you that distance I can relate to

498
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:41,940
the part of it energetically he couldn't

499
00:23:48,140 --> 00:23:45,210
find him and and then he took the map

500
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:48,150
and doused the map like you know like

501
00:23:53,419 --> 00:23:50,340
using a dowsing rod but only the

502
00:23:55,970 --> 00:23:53,429
pendulum correct absolutely correct well

503
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:55,980
both of you are into pendulums and I'm

504
00:24:01,419 --> 00:23:58,260
not how exactly does that work if you

505
00:24:06,620 --> 00:24:01,429
don't mind just a quick description just

506
00:24:09,260 --> 00:24:06,630
a pendulum is could be any weight but

507
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:09,270
more than it is a rock crystal right it

508
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:10,890
doesn't have to be it could be a fishing

509
00:24:18,860 --> 00:24:14,760
weight and it's suspended on a string or

510
00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:18,870
a chain and one holds the top of the of

511
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:22,200
the string or chain and allows the

512
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:25,559
pendulum to circle in one direction or

513
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:29,250
the other or it might sort of go back

514
00:24:36,180 --> 00:24:32,250
and forth horizontally or vertically and

515
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:36,190
you kind of learn what you're signed

516
00:24:40,830 --> 00:24:38,290
yes and what you're signed for know is

517
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:40,840
oh and that's the simple way that a

518
00:24:47,850 --> 00:24:44,050
pendulum works now people who are more

519
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:47,860
advanced have charts that they use like

520
00:24:53,940 --> 00:24:49,510
for like you might use a Ouija board

521
00:24:58,230 --> 00:24:53,950
with letters or you can dowse on a map I

522
00:25:00,480 --> 00:24:58,240
believe that not Ingo Swann who's the

523
00:25:02,070 --> 00:25:00,490
Israeli fellow Oh his name is on the

524
00:25:05,100 --> 00:25:02,080
phone with the bending spoon yeah the

525
00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:05,110
guy who been very gay right Yuri Gallup

526
00:25:11,550 --> 00:25:08,350
reportedly douses for minerals for

527
00:25:13,740 --> 00:25:11,560
different companies and countries finds

528
00:25:16,410 --> 00:25:13,750
titanium deposits and things like that

529
00:25:19,620 --> 00:25:16,420
and that's apparently how he actually

530
00:25:22,590 --> 00:25:19,630
made his fortune hmm but tell us more

531
00:25:25,700 --> 00:25:22,600
about your father in dowsing well the

532
00:25:28,650 --> 00:25:25,710
idea is that the pendulum is is really

533
00:25:31,170 --> 00:25:28,660
it's dumb it's inert it does it has no

534
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:31,180
magic powers but what is happening to a

535
00:25:36,030 --> 00:25:34,090
tool that as as you just said that

536
00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:36,040
allows you it's almost like a

537
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:38,440
lie-detector test at a lot or an EKG it

538
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,650
allows you to see what you can't

539
00:25:46,260 --> 00:25:44,320
otherwise see it's an indicator so the

540
00:25:47,970 --> 00:25:46,270
thing is once you're tanned and my

541
00:25:52,650 --> 00:25:47,980
father would believe everything is

542
00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:52,660
knowable you can you can learn anything

543
00:25:57,180 --> 00:25:55,090
you can determine whether someone is

544
00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:57,190
honest whether they've they've stolen

545
00:26:01,230 --> 00:25:59,290
the money you know who's the thief who

546
00:26:04,290 --> 00:26:01,240
stole the money or what their blood

547
00:26:05,700 --> 00:26:04,300
pressure is or where they grew up it's

548
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:05,710
just a question of asking the right

549
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,050
question with the pendulum and the

550
00:26:14,370 --> 00:26:11,200
pendulum is there simply to sort of as

551
00:26:19,650 --> 00:26:14,380
an indicator that it's a yes answer or

552
00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:19,660
it's a no answer but you can't ask what

553
00:26:23,700 --> 00:26:21,880
color dress should I wear today cuz it's

554
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,710
not really suited for that you have to

555
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:25,600
ask yes or no should I wear a green

556
00:26:32,550 --> 00:26:26,380
dress today

557
00:26:33,390 --> 00:26:32,560
and basically you always you work and

558
00:26:35,130 --> 00:26:33,400
yes or no

559
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:35,140
almost like compute computers work that

560
00:26:42,180 --> 00:26:39,490
way it's yeah fascinating Thanks things

561
00:26:44,490 --> 00:26:42,190
cuz I'm sorry I had been worth what

562
00:26:48,270 --> 00:26:44,500
would that was used for so so what else

563
00:26:49,620 --> 00:26:48,280
did your father diagnose I mean many

564
00:26:51,540 --> 00:26:49,630
things I'm sure but

565
00:26:54,180 --> 00:26:51,550
yeah I don't think they're well there

566
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:54,190
wasn't a disease that he didn't diagnose

567
00:27:00,270 --> 00:26:57,120
and again going back to the time period

568
00:27:02,850 --> 00:27:00,280
you know for example unlike today where

569
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:02,860
they'll do a PET scan and they'll inject

570
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:05,530
you with radioactive dyes and if there's

571
00:27:12,210 --> 00:27:09,520
tumors they'll light up under this PET

572
00:27:15,690 --> 00:27:12,220
scan there was none of that diagnostic

573
00:27:17,850 --> 00:27:15,700
technology back then so if they thought

574
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:17,860
you had let's say you had maybe they

575
00:27:21,810 --> 00:27:19,450
think you had colon cancer what would

576
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:21,820
happen is they would see a shadow on

577
00:27:26,490 --> 00:27:24,700
necks ray or if you they think you had

578
00:27:29,910 --> 00:27:26,500
lung cancer they might see some shadows

579
00:27:31,290 --> 00:27:29,920
in your lung but they didn't know so

580
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:31,300
what they would do is they would do

581
00:27:36,870 --> 00:27:33,250
something called exploratory surgery and

582
00:27:39,270 --> 00:27:36,880
just cut you open and look around he was

583
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:39,280
able to completely avoid that he was

584
00:27:45,690 --> 00:27:42,910
able to know definitively if you had

585
00:27:47,970 --> 00:27:45,700
cancer or not where the tumor was how

586
00:27:50,850 --> 00:27:47,980
big the tumor was was it one centimeter

587
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:50,860
two centimeter three centimeter whether

588
00:27:54,630 --> 00:27:52,690
it was going to metastasize or not and

589
00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:54,640
then he could use the pendulum to

590
00:27:59,220 --> 00:27:57,490
determine what modality of healing he

591
00:28:01,890 --> 00:27:59,230
was going to send you and unlike other

592
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:01,900
healers you know a lot of healers today

593
00:28:07,020 --> 00:28:03,850
whether it's Reiki or other things they

594
00:28:09,870 --> 00:28:07,030
basically will just you know send very

595
00:28:13,470 --> 00:28:09,880
good energy to someone whereas my father

596
00:28:15,420 --> 00:28:13,480
wanted actually to diagnose and if

597
00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:15,430
someone came in and said I'm not feeling

598
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:17,020
well he just didn't want to say well I'm

599
00:28:22,410 --> 00:28:18,880
gonna send you some healing energy and

600
00:28:25,530 --> 00:28:22,420
let's call it a day and he would do what

601
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:25,540
was fascinating what I loved was he was

602
00:28:33,180 --> 00:28:29,260
able to do sort of psychiatry on people

603
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:33,190
in about two three minutes which if they

604
00:28:37,260 --> 00:28:34,810
had a good psychiatrist might take 30

605
00:28:42,390 --> 00:28:37,270
years and I'll tell you one story a

606
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:42,400
woman came in and she had breast cancer

607
00:28:49,230 --> 00:28:45,970
so you know what do we do today we give

608
00:28:51,900 --> 00:28:49,240
toxic chemo we give radiation and then

609
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:51,910
we chop off the breast that's all pretty

610
00:29:02,760 --> 00:28:58,810
barbaric and so my father in certain

611
00:29:05,370 --> 00:29:02,770
cases he could he could learn to

612
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:05,380
send weather psychically it's homeopathy

613
00:29:12,450 --> 00:29:08,010
or Bach Flower Remedies or color or

614
00:29:14,010 --> 00:29:12,460
energy but sometimes he felt he would

615
00:29:18,330 --> 00:29:14,020
determine with the pendulum and his

616
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:18,340
charts that unless he knew the cause no

617
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:20,290
matter how healing many healings he did

618
00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:21,730
this person was not going to get better

619
00:29:25,860 --> 00:29:23,920
unless they got to the root cause so

620
00:29:28,770 --> 00:29:25,870
what he was able to do with the pendulum

621
00:29:32,549 --> 00:29:28,780
was and let's use this woman as an

622
00:29:34,470 --> 00:29:32,559
example he he discovered that for the

623
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:34,480
healing to take place he needed to

624
00:29:39,180 --> 00:29:37,330
discover the root cause so he wanted to

625
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:39,190
know is it a traumatic event the

626
00:29:43,890 --> 00:29:42,250
pendulum said yes and what year did it

627
00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:43,900
happen so he would have a chart with

628
00:29:48,540 --> 00:29:46,140
some numbers on it and we go down and

629
00:29:51,810 --> 00:29:48,550
you know let's say the pendulum started

630
00:29:54,270 --> 00:29:51,820
indicating 1960 and they'd say okay what

631
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:54,280
month in 1916 go down the calendar and

632
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:57,610
May 1960 and then he'd say what day and

633
00:30:03,210 --> 00:30:00,880
it would say the 22nd so he'd say you

634
00:30:04,980 --> 00:30:03,220
know what happened to you may 22nd 1960

635
00:30:07,620 --> 00:30:04,990
cause it seems to be the origin of your

636
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:07,630
disease and the woman started crying she

637
00:30:13,049 --> 00:30:09,610
said well that's the day my father raped

638
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:13,059
me and he said well this this is the

639
00:30:20,460 --> 00:30:17,050
origin we need we need to remove that

640
00:30:23,580 --> 00:30:20,470
trauma erase that trauma because no

641
00:30:25,980 --> 00:30:23,590
matter whether I heal you or you go for

642
00:30:27,750 --> 00:30:25,990
surgery radiation whatever you're never

643
00:30:30,060 --> 00:30:27,760
going to get better because you have you

644
00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:30,070
have this horrific psychological wound

645
00:30:34,710 --> 00:30:32,590
now this woman normally would have to go

646
00:30:36,090 --> 00:30:34,720
to a psychiatrist and talk about it how

647
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:36,100
do you feel about your father well I'm

648
00:30:39,570 --> 00:30:38,170
angry at my father well do you feel you

649
00:30:41,450 --> 00:30:39,580
could forgive him no I can't and it

650
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:41,460
would just go on and on and you know

651
00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:44,980
$350 an hour but my father would kind of

652
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:47,980
shortcut that get it done and say we're

653
00:30:52,470 --> 00:30:49,960
good and then he would erase that that

654
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:52,480
the trauma and then he was able to go in

655
00:30:59,210 --> 00:30:56,050
and start healing that's phenomenal so

656
00:31:01,740 --> 00:30:59,220
it really speaks to how disease is not

657
00:31:04,490 --> 00:31:01,750
psychosomatic but psycho generative it's

658
00:31:07,530 --> 00:31:04,500
something that occurs in our spirit of

659
00:31:11,010 --> 00:31:07,540
spiritual wound if you will that will

660
00:31:12,350 --> 00:31:11,020
cause us to develop a disease in time if

661
00:31:16,290 --> 00:31:12,360
we don't take care of it

662
00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:16,300
yes and it's it's

663
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:17,920
I've studied karate for twenty years and

664
00:31:24,690 --> 00:31:22,050
my teacher who's a great great master

665
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:24,700
wandering his lectures he did he drew a

666
00:31:31,470 --> 00:31:28,690
picture of a bridge and spanning two two

667
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:31,480
cliffs and he said here's this big steel

668
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,250
bridge and then he took some chalk and

669
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:34,960
he made little specs all over it

670
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,090
and he said this is rust and these

671
00:31:42,810 --> 00:31:39,760
little tiny specks of rust can bring

672
00:31:45,780 --> 00:31:42,820
down this massive steel bridge and make

673
00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:45,790
it collapse and he said the spec the

674
00:31:50,970 --> 00:31:48,310
specs of rust are like negative emotions

675
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:50,980
in your mind and whether it's jealousy

676
00:31:57,420 --> 00:31:55,930
or anger or hatred or fear depression

677
00:31:59,790 --> 00:31:57,430
all of these little specks these

678
00:32:02,760 --> 00:31:59,800
negative thoughts in your brain on your

679
00:32:05,310 --> 00:32:02,770
mind start to create this this havoc and

680
00:32:06,690 --> 00:32:05,320
yes you're absolutely correct and one of

681
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:06,700
the things we do need to do and it's

682
00:32:12,150 --> 00:32:09,250
really hard given the news that's out

683
00:32:13,890 --> 00:32:12,160
there and you know are they are very

684
00:32:16,110 --> 00:32:13,900
high pressure lives is to keep our

685
00:32:18,330 --> 00:32:16,120
thoughts scrubbed and clean and on a

686
00:32:22,650 --> 00:32:18,340
very positive level yes yes you're

687
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:22,660
correct and not only that but what

688
00:32:27,660 --> 00:32:24,730
happens is that our thoughts are very

689
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:27,670
repetitive each and every one of us

690
00:32:33,510 --> 00:32:30,610
though we sometimes read books we listen

691
00:32:35,820 --> 00:32:33,520
to podcasts watch movies and may get

692
00:32:39,330 --> 00:32:35,830
different thoughts from outside of us

693
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:39,340
within us in our psyche every single one

694
00:32:46,740 --> 00:32:43,330
of us has a voice speaking to us and it

695
00:32:49,770 --> 00:32:46,750
repeats the same things every day it's

696
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:49,780
we don't have like every thought is not

697
00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:52,390
a new thought so we have to be really

698
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:55,300
really scrupulous as you were saying and

699
00:33:00,060 --> 00:32:57,730
make sure that when we a negative

700
00:33:02,790 --> 00:33:00,070
thought comes up that we replace it with

701
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:02,800
its positive opposite

702
00:33:08,490 --> 00:33:05,170
yeah and it's and that's it that's

703
00:33:12,180 --> 00:33:08,500
actually the hardest work to do of any

704
00:33:14,130 --> 00:33:12,190
any kind of discipline is to really

705
00:33:17,340 --> 00:33:14,140
during the day because we get so busy

706
00:33:19,290 --> 00:33:17,350
with work or you know engaging just even

707
00:33:21,180 --> 00:33:19,300
doing chores or going the supermarket

708
00:33:23,910 --> 00:33:21,190
and someone cuts in line in front of us

709
00:33:27,450 --> 00:33:23,920
or the the cashier just throws the

710
00:33:29,370 --> 00:33:27,460
change at us it's very hard to kind of

711
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:29,380
keep resetting that compass and keep it

712
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:30,010
clean

713
00:33:34,770 --> 00:33:31,840
and keep it straightforward but it's

714
00:33:37,500 --> 00:33:34,780
it's an essential essential duty that we

715
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:37,510
have to each one of us i want to

716
00:33:44,220 --> 00:33:41,650
interrupt you here just to say that your

717
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,230
book your wonderful book and it's very

718
00:33:49,110 --> 00:33:46,480
entertaining it's very buoyantly written

719
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:49,120
it's got such a nice style your book is

720
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:52,210
called walking through walls and it's

721
00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:55,210
available I assume that Barnes and Noble

722
00:33:59,640 --> 00:33:57,430
and through Amazon and it's available

723
00:34:03,090 --> 00:33:59,650
through your website walking through

724
00:34:06,090 --> 00:34:03,100
walls of the book calm I hope and I am

725
00:34:08,669 --> 00:34:06,100
speaking now to Philip Smith and his

726
00:34:11,970 --> 00:34:08,679
father whose name we omitted from

727
00:34:14,340 --> 00:34:11,980
mentioning was Lou Smith yes you ever

728
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:14,350
said that and it's my fault as well that

729
00:34:23,100 --> 00:34:15,850
we didn't mention well you're gonna hear

730
00:34:24,690 --> 00:34:23,110
a bang yeah so another thing that came

731
00:34:27,540 --> 00:34:24,700
up it was there was so many

732
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:27,550
synchronicities in from the time that I

733
00:34:32,070 --> 00:34:29,770
first picked up the book including the

734
00:34:34,919 --> 00:34:32,080
Coral Castle picture and am I having

735
00:34:37,590 --> 00:34:34,929
just been in Coral Castle and been so

736
00:34:40,169 --> 00:34:37,600
impressed by that structure and and and

737
00:34:42,720 --> 00:34:40,179
that man putting it together you know by

738
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:42,730
himself a little tiny Hungarian man I

739
00:34:48,330 --> 00:34:44,770
think he just put that whole thing

740
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:48,340
together on it by himself through some

741
00:34:55,169 --> 00:34:53,020
very interesting power and spinning

742
00:34:56,580 --> 00:34:55,179
things on points and very very

743
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:56,590
interesting place if you ever get down

744
00:35:01,290 --> 00:34:58,960
to Florida listeners you should check

745
00:35:06,030 --> 00:35:01,300
out the Coral Castle it's a marvelous

746
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:06,040
interesting really anomalous spot but

747
00:35:11,970 --> 00:35:09,040
the other thing in your life which

748
00:35:14,430 --> 00:35:11,980
mirrored mine was the Sofie Bush

749
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:14,440
connection now I'm going to take a

750
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:18,540
moment here to tell you that growing up

751
00:35:24,210 --> 00:35:22,210
Sofie Bush was like a family fable I

752
00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:24,220
didn't have any idea whether she was a

753
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:27,730
real person or not but my grandmother

754
00:35:32,580 --> 00:35:30,640
and my mother and my grandmother's

755
00:35:35,580 --> 00:35:32,590
sister-in-law who was about my mother's

756
00:35:37,410 --> 00:35:35,590
age they would go I had when I was a

757
00:35:39,150 --> 00:35:37,420
little little child before I can really

758
00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:39,160
remember they would go to see Sophie

759
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:42,280
Bush and before I was born before my

760
00:35:45,690 --> 00:35:43,450
mother met my father

761
00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:45,700
my mother went to see Sophie Bush and

762
00:35:53,220 --> 00:35:48,609
Sophie Bush gave her my father's

763
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,230
initials mm all three initials not just

764
00:35:58,770 --> 00:35:54,880
the first and last initial

765
00:36:01,380 --> 00:35:58,780
so Sophie Bush she was like a legendary

766
00:36:05,460 --> 00:36:01,390
character in my life and it wasn't until

767
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:05,470
I read your book that I realized wow she

768
00:36:11,339 --> 00:36:07,930
was a real person and other people know

769
00:36:13,470 --> 00:36:11,349
about her and can you tell us about your

770
00:36:17,849 --> 00:36:13,480
father's relationship - Sophie Bush and

771
00:36:20,700 --> 00:36:17,859
who's Sophie Bush was Sophie was uh and

772
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:20,710
again I'm sorry to keep harping on this

773
00:36:26,940 --> 00:36:23,650
go you have to go back 40 50 years at a

774
00:36:30,089 --> 00:36:26,950
time when you know Oprah wasn't having

775
00:36:32,309 --> 00:36:30,099
psychics and spiritual people on her

776
00:36:35,809 --> 00:36:32,319
show so there was no knowledge of this

777
00:36:38,970 --> 00:36:35,819
and all this was sort of underground and

778
00:36:43,309 --> 00:36:38,980
in in a very very poor part of town

779
00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:43,319
sophie had what she called a church and

780
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:49,599
on Sundays and also going back in time

781
00:36:55,500 --> 00:36:52,690
Miami was just coming out of segregation

782
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:55,510
and it was still in many ways a granade

783
00:37:03,329 --> 00:37:00,400
it was still one bathroom for colored

784
00:37:05,579 --> 00:37:03,339
and and this is in my lifetime and you

785
00:37:08,940 --> 00:37:05,589
know then bathrooms for white men and

786
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:08,950
white women but at Sophie's Church which

787
00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:11,890
was in a black section you'd have it was

788
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,049
it was totally mixed everybody came to

789
00:37:18,210 --> 00:37:16,240
see her and basically what she would do

790
00:37:23,390 --> 00:37:18,220
is she would lead you through a service

791
00:37:25,890 --> 00:37:23,400
and she would send out her helpers with

792
00:37:27,660 --> 00:37:25,900
you know now there's calculators but in

793
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:27,670
the old days there was was adding

794
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:29,410
machine tape they would go out with a

795
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:30,880
roll of adding machine tape and you

796
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:32,770
raised your hand and they would tear off

797
00:37:36,809 --> 00:37:34,720
a little piece and hand - a pencil like

798
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:36,819
those pencils in a library and you would

799
00:37:41,370 --> 00:37:38,890
write down a question and your initials

800
00:37:43,410 --> 00:37:41,380
on it you would roll it up into you know

801
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:43,420
almost look like a tiny white cigarette

802
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:45,609
and you'd put it in this pegboard that

803
00:37:50,190 --> 00:37:48,280
they they passed around and then Sophie

804
00:37:53,220 --> 00:37:50,200
would start lecturing and I think

805
00:37:55,230 --> 00:37:53,230
basically I was 16 at the time so my

806
00:37:56,970 --> 00:37:55,240
sense is she started sort of working

807
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,980
yourself up into a trance

808
00:38:01,290 --> 00:37:58,960
and she would put her hand out and grab

809
00:38:02,940 --> 00:38:01,300
one of these little rolls of paper she

810
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:02,950
would never open it she would hold it up

811
00:38:07,290 --> 00:38:04,390
for everybody see that the roll of paper

812
00:38:09,990 --> 00:38:07,300
was in her hand and basically she would

813
00:38:11,550 --> 00:38:10,000
read what was on what was written on

814
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:11,560
that piece of paper and then she would

815
00:38:17,819 --> 00:38:14,170
answer your question so the fact that

816
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:17,829
your your your parents went there this

817
00:38:22,410 --> 00:38:20,650
is what they experienced I saw they

818
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,420
would they would they were writing

819
00:38:27,420 --> 00:38:24,640
questions if they did or they were just

820
00:38:29,819 --> 00:38:27,430
observing but if if your mom got your

821
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:29,829
father's three initials she probably

822
00:38:33,870 --> 00:38:32,170
wrote something to Sofie saying you know

823
00:38:35,730 --> 00:38:33,880
am I going to meet the man of my dreams

824
00:38:38,550 --> 00:38:35,740
or what is the name of the man I will

825
00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:38,560
marry whatever it is and Sophie then

826
00:38:42,839 --> 00:38:40,119
held it in her hand never open that

827
00:38:46,410 --> 00:38:42,849
paper held it up and then said his

828
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:46,420
initials are whatever they are and you

829
00:38:53,339 --> 00:38:50,579
know swj or something and she would

830
00:38:55,140 --> 00:38:53,349
that's how she worked and she didn't

831
00:38:58,020 --> 00:38:55,150
take all the pieces of paper but she

832
00:39:01,020 --> 00:38:58,030
would take she would do like 1520

833
00:39:03,630 --> 00:39:01,030
readings in in that service there was no

834
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:03,640
air conditioning there were you know one

835
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:05,290
or two fluorescent lights and in the

836
00:39:09,690 --> 00:39:07,089
ceiling that was very poor there was no

837
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:09,700
money and then you know people would put

838
00:39:13,380 --> 00:39:12,010
a quarter in the Hat or $0.50 in the hat

839
00:39:15,900 --> 00:39:13,390
and that was it

840
00:39:19,950 --> 00:39:15,910
so it was like basically it was a

841
00:39:22,490 --> 00:39:19,960
spiritualist Church ceremony yes and and

842
00:39:24,900 --> 00:39:22,500
and and can you tell us how your father

843
00:39:28,890 --> 00:39:24,910
you know how you and your father figure

844
00:39:33,270 --> 00:39:28,900
in with Sophie my father used to go a

845
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:33,280
lot because as I said he was evolving

846
00:39:37,859 --> 00:39:35,890
and he was somehow I mean his

847
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:37,869
synchronicity was that these these

848
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:40,390
things these opportunities and these

849
00:39:45,030 --> 00:39:42,010
people and these experiences were

850
00:39:47,579 --> 00:39:45,040
opening up for him so he who knows how

851
00:39:59,329 --> 00:39:47,589
he found this place but he took me there

852
00:40:02,010 --> 00:39:59,339
twice and I was 16 to 62 so in 1968 and

853
00:40:03,720 --> 00:40:02,020
it was just fascinating to me I mean

854
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:03,730
I've never forgotten and and it's

855
00:40:08,910 --> 00:40:06,310
described very vividly in the book yes

856
00:40:10,660 --> 00:40:08,920
it made such an impression on me yes

857
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:10,670
it's it's that's very it's a fair

858
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:13,490
well written a very well-written account

859
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:17,330
of your life with your parents is there

860
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:21,290
any other one other thing that comes to

861
00:40:27,550 --> 00:40:24,370
my mind is that some of your paintings

862
00:40:30,070 --> 00:40:27,560
and then some of the little charts that

863
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,080
your father made there seems to be some

864
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:32,480
connection between those two things is

865
00:40:41,830 --> 00:40:35,690
there not yeah I think totally I think

866
00:40:44,410 --> 00:40:41,840
that I don't think that how do I say

867
00:40:47,460 --> 00:40:44,420
this nicely I don't think I'm my own

868
00:40:51,970 --> 00:40:47,470
person I think I'm my father's son and

869
00:40:55,590 --> 00:40:51,980
my work is however its evolved my

870
00:40:58,450 --> 00:40:55,600
painting work I should say is totally

871
00:41:00,310 --> 00:40:58,460
connected to his metaphysical interest

872
00:41:03,250 --> 00:41:00,320
and always they're very they're like

873
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:03,260
hieroglyphs or pictographs and they tell

874
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:07,130
sort of metaphysical stories and they

875
00:41:12,190 --> 00:41:09,530
come to me in ways that are just

876
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:12,200
surprising and they they appear they're

877
00:41:17,500 --> 00:41:15,650
almost like automatic writing and you'd

878
00:41:19,510 --> 00:41:17,510
think that maybe I'd make very brightly

879
00:41:21,550 --> 00:41:19,520
colored abstract paintings or I'd make

880
00:41:23,980 --> 00:41:21,560
landscapes no I ended up making these

881
00:41:28,330 --> 00:41:23,990
these higher glyphs that tell some sort

882
00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:28,340
of story and I do think it comes it it

883
00:41:33,250 --> 00:41:30,860
totally comes out of him now I like I

884
00:41:37,900 --> 00:41:33,260
like your work very much and thank you I

885
00:41:40,380 --> 00:41:37,910
find that the messages are not something

886
00:41:44,020 --> 00:41:40,390
for the most part that I can enunciate

887
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:44,030
but rather it's it is a story and it is

888
00:41:51,970 --> 00:41:48,610
subliminal and it gives kind of a an

889
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:51,980
atmosphere that means something but it's

890
00:41:59,260 --> 00:41:55,970
not it's not readily spoken about that's

891
00:42:03,460 --> 00:41:59,270
perfect you got it it is it is it's an

892
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:03,470
experiential painting and people say

893
00:42:07,300 --> 00:42:05,930
well what does it mean and you know by

894
00:42:09,490 --> 00:42:07,310
the time I talk about it sounds so

895
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:09,500
mundane but I think when you look at the

896
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:13,130
work you do have an experience and you

897
00:42:19,180 --> 00:42:16,610
know in in Tibetan culture a lot of

898
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,190
times the priests the artists there who

899
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:20,960
work for the priests they make these

900
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:23,210
Tibetan Tonka's which are pictures of

901
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:24,650
Buddhas life and the

902
00:42:30,579 --> 00:42:27,410
is that they're not just pretty pictures

903
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:30,589
of Buddha but actually they're imbued

904
00:42:35,319 --> 00:42:33,140
with a kind of energy and the idea is

905
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:35,329
that you come to them almost like you

906
00:42:40,089 --> 00:42:38,510
come to an Oracle and they'll they can

907
00:42:42,490 --> 00:42:40,099
give you a healing they can answer a

908
00:42:45,069 --> 00:42:42,500
question they can give you inside

909
00:42:48,069 --> 00:42:45,079
spiritual enlightenment so these these

910
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:48,079
these painted images are actually very

911
00:42:54,730 --> 00:42:52,010
much alive and very active and I don't I

912
00:42:57,010 --> 00:42:54,740
don't want to make the leap that I'm

913
00:42:59,380 --> 00:42:57,020
like these priests or I have their same

914
00:43:01,510 --> 00:42:59,390
energy or power but I think part of my

915
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:01,520
intention is I'm just not making a

916
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:03,470
picture but I want the picture to also

917
00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:05,450
be able to transfer energy to the viewer

918
00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:07,849
well I think that you've done a good job

919
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:12,950
of that I do I would like to hear

920
00:43:19,450 --> 00:43:16,450
perhaps while we have a few moments left

921
00:43:22,230 --> 00:43:19,460
some something else from your father's

922
00:43:24,519 --> 00:43:22,240
life that you think that our listeners

923
00:43:26,829 --> 00:43:24,529
something anomalous something that our

924
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:26,839
listeners would like to hear and you

925
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:28,490
know hopefully they'll run out and buy

926
00:43:32,349 --> 00:43:30,770
your book I mean I I certainly I

927
00:43:33,849 --> 00:43:32,359
certainly enjoyed it

928
00:43:36,579 --> 00:43:33,859
and what was the title of that book

929
00:43:40,059 --> 00:43:36,589
again the title of the book is walking

930
00:43:45,329 --> 00:43:40,069
through walls you know a memoir by

931
00:43:48,700 --> 00:43:45,339
Phillips ran Smith and it's published by

932
00:43:53,140 --> 00:43:48,710
country of books which is but it's

933
00:43:56,019 --> 00:43:53,150
available through Amazon I'm sure yeah

934
00:43:58,420 --> 00:43:56,029
Simon's just who's good I'll you know

935
00:44:01,180 --> 00:43:58,430
two things really strike me speaking to

936
00:44:03,039 --> 00:44:01,190
you is that you come from what really

937
00:44:06,130 --> 00:44:03,049
would have been considered a very

938
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:06,140
out-there background and you sound like

939
00:44:10,329 --> 00:44:08,450
such a really funny guy and just a

940
00:44:13,539 --> 00:44:10,339
really interesting person down tomorrow

941
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:13,549
very yeah you know I was sort of

942
00:44:22,539 --> 00:44:18,770
expecting a I don't know out there sort

943
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:22,549
I'm buoyant in some way but now you

944
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:25,490
sound great so congratulations to your

945
00:44:31,059 --> 00:44:27,890
parents on being successful and you

946
00:44:34,569 --> 00:44:31,069
sound very happy and I think an ideal

947
00:44:36,370 --> 00:44:34,579
way to live you know in the house next

948
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:36,380
door to one spouse whether you know

949
00:44:40,780 --> 00:44:38,450
unfortunately your parents divorce

950
00:44:45,700 --> 00:44:40,790
but I mean I like the idea of a separate

951
00:44:47,380 --> 00:44:45,710
areas to live in you know kind of you

952
00:44:50,710 --> 00:44:47,390
have less fights that way I think oh

953
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:50,720
yeah well I want to give some credit to

954
00:44:54,940 --> 00:44:53,089
my mom because my mom was on the other

955
00:44:58,390 --> 00:44:54,950
side of defense and she was making sure

956
00:45:00,609 --> 00:44:58,400
that she as much as my father was taking

957
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:00,619
me to other planets she wants to make

958
00:45:05,589 --> 00:45:02,930
sure that I could navigate Planet Earth

959
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:05,599
so she was she was giving me the reality

960
00:45:13,150 --> 00:45:09,920
factor as well and I think that part of

961
00:45:16,990 --> 00:45:13,160
the way that I've been able to aside

962
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:17,000
from her her teaching and and raising me

963
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:19,250
who she did a phenomenal job under

964
00:45:23,829 --> 00:45:21,770
really tough circumstances was the 20

965
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:23,839
years that I spent in the dojo because

966
00:45:31,349 --> 00:45:28,730
in in karate you really learn in real

967
00:45:34,569 --> 00:45:31,359
traditional karate it's really about

968
00:45:36,430 --> 00:45:34,579
your training your own ego as opposed to

969
00:45:38,890 --> 00:45:36,440
yes you're learning to fight but the

970
00:45:41,470 --> 00:45:38,900
person you're fighting is your own wild

971
00:45:43,540 --> 00:45:41,480
ego so thank you for that compliment and

972
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:43,550
also about your mother I have to say

973
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:46,250
that she sounded like a real fun person

974
00:45:49,930 --> 00:45:48,410
like the kind of person that someone

975
00:45:52,500 --> 00:45:49,940
like me would love to go on a vacation

976
00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:52,510
with who would hit the hot spots and

977
00:45:57,849 --> 00:45:55,190
enjoyed good food and dressed very

978
00:46:00,220 --> 00:45:57,859
nicely and and taught you all kinds of

979
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,230
the ways of the world so that you could

980
00:46:06,190 --> 00:46:03,680
be a very urbane and cosmopolitan fellow

981
00:46:08,020 --> 00:46:06,200
in New York City for a while and and all

982
00:46:11,589 --> 00:46:08,030
of that I kind of laid that on your

983
00:46:15,730 --> 00:46:11,599
mother's your mother's teaching yes no

984
00:46:17,230 --> 00:46:15,740
that's absolutely correct and she was in

985
00:46:20,140 --> 00:46:17,240
even though they divorced and separated

986
00:46:24,059 --> 00:46:20,150
and and it was she was very proud of my

987
00:46:27,609 --> 00:46:24,069
father and what she did and she never

988
00:46:29,380 --> 00:46:27,619
spoke disparaging of him and she she was

989
00:46:31,630 --> 00:46:29,390
always proud that he was a healer

990
00:46:34,270 --> 00:46:31,640
because listen this is something that

991
00:46:36,700 --> 00:46:34,280
you really he had a tough life this is

992
00:46:39,010 --> 00:46:36,710
not like today where you know if he were

993
00:46:42,099 --> 00:46:39,020
around today and had been on Oprah he'd

994
00:46:46,690 --> 00:46:42,109
have a nice CD set out he'd have maybe a

995
00:46:49,089 --> 00:46:46,700
nice TV show on and on and on this was

996
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,099
tough sledding back then because people

997
00:46:51,660 --> 00:46:50,480
were calling him crazy they were

998
00:46:55,289 --> 00:46:51,670
attacking him

999
00:46:57,299 --> 00:46:55,299
it was very very difficult you know one

1000
00:46:59,490 --> 00:46:57,309
point that you brought up you said your

1001
00:47:03,599 --> 00:46:59,500
mom taught you how to navigate here on

1002
00:47:07,049 --> 00:47:03,609
earth and I had at one point had a UFO

1003
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,059
show and I was just wondering did he

1004
00:47:12,809 --> 00:47:09,520
ever speak about beings on other worlds

1005
00:47:14,789 --> 00:47:12,819
or other planets or anything of that

1006
00:47:16,859 --> 00:47:14,799
nature you know what's really

1007
00:47:19,410 --> 00:47:16,869
interesting when you ask you know how

1008
00:47:25,740 --> 00:47:19,420
this evolved I found a diary from him

1009
00:47:29,970 --> 00:47:25,750
when he was I think he was around 18 19

1010
00:47:35,190 --> 00:47:29,980
and 19 21 and in this diary he would

1011
00:47:37,859 --> 00:47:35,200
record his dreams and he started seeing

1012
00:47:39,630 --> 00:47:37,869
very strange creatures in these dreams

1013
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:39,640
who were coming to him and talking to

1014
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:41,410
him and he would describe these

1015
00:47:48,390 --> 00:47:44,710
creatures and again this is this is a

1016
00:47:51,620 --> 00:47:48,400
well we're almost heading into 2015 this

1017
00:47:54,089 --> 00:47:51,630
this is like 90 90 something years ago

1018
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:54,099
but in in this diary what was

1019
00:47:59,579 --> 00:47:57,130
fascinating to me is that he would

1020
00:48:01,950 --> 00:47:59,589
record his dreams and he recorded a

1021
00:48:04,049 --> 00:48:01,960
dream about that he saw a train crash in

1022
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:04,059
the desert and he heard children

1023
00:48:08,099 --> 00:48:06,730
screaming and saw fire and that you turn

1024
00:48:10,260 --> 00:48:08,109
the page of the diary in the next

1025
00:48:12,270 --> 00:48:10,270
morning he wakes up and he says you know

1026
00:48:14,970 --> 00:48:12,280
I went downstairs and got the paper and

1027
00:48:17,190 --> 00:48:14,980
in it front-page news was there was a

1028
00:48:18,539 --> 00:48:17,200
train crash in Nevada and 13 children

1029
00:48:21,089 --> 00:48:18,549
died in a fire

1030
00:48:23,579 --> 00:48:21,099
Wow so I think these creatures were

1031
00:48:25,230 --> 00:48:23,589
coming in and they were he really

1032
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:25,240
believed that these people would come

1033
00:48:32,250 --> 00:48:30,130
and sort of could could sort of rewire

1034
00:48:35,849 --> 00:48:32,260
your brain so that you would be more

1035
00:48:37,650 --> 00:48:35,859
receptive and sensitive but he also felt

1036
00:48:41,339 --> 00:48:37,660
that he was no different than anybody

1037
00:48:44,250 --> 00:48:41,349
else he was not some guru or like oh man

1038
00:48:46,260 --> 00:48:44,260
I'm a psychic he was just a regular guy

1039
00:48:48,750 --> 00:48:46,270
and he said you know these abilities I

1040
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:48,760
have you have you have you have

1041
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:51,010
everybody has these I'm no different I'm

1042
00:48:57,390 --> 00:48:53,410
not weird I'm not special you all have

1043
00:48:59,970 --> 00:48:57,400
this stuff so you know and he really has

1044
00:49:02,579 --> 00:48:59,980
his real mission and unfortunately he

1045
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:02,589
was too early he really wanted to teach

1046
00:49:07,950 --> 00:49:05,530
doctors how he did this

1047
00:49:11,940 --> 00:49:07,960
because he wanted to help save lives he

1048
00:49:14,100 --> 00:49:11,950
never charged for healing he wanted he

1049
00:49:16,740 --> 00:49:14,110
felt that that and especially back then

1050
00:49:18,180 --> 00:49:16,750
drugs were much more toxic I mean

1051
00:49:19,980 --> 00:49:18,190
they're pretty toxic now but I think

1052
00:49:21,930 --> 00:49:19,990
they were they were much cruder back

1053
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:21,940
then and he thought they were all

1054
00:49:28,830 --> 00:49:24,720
unnecessary and it was a question of of

1055
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:28,840
revamping our mental ability removing

1056
00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:31,690
the trauma and you know bringing the

1057
00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:34,990
body's energy patterns up to up to code

1058
00:49:40,050 --> 00:49:38,080
so to speak and we would not have this

1059
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:40,060
disease and he really wanted to give the

1060
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:42,700
doctors this is it as one more piece in

1061
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:44,410
their toolkit well that's that's

1062
00:49:51,210 --> 00:49:47,170
wonderful and I think it's certainly a

1063
00:49:55,260 --> 00:49:51,220
noble a noble calling it's been a long

1064
00:49:58,620 --> 00:49:55,270
hard slog for people who have tried to

1065
00:50:01,110 --> 00:49:58,630
do that in current day I mean we have

1066
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:01,120
you know Barbara Brennan who has a

1067
00:50:07,110 --> 00:50:04,090
healing school hands of light and she

1068
00:50:10,830 --> 00:50:07,120
has worked with a lot of nurses and and

1069
00:50:13,350 --> 00:50:10,840
given them certain healing practices

1070
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:13,360
that have helped us wash the pain of

1071
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,140
people and kind of as a complementary

1072
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:18,760
practice in hospitals it seems to be

1073
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:21,610
more accepted now but certainly it's

1074
00:50:25,860 --> 00:50:23,650
it's it seems pale in comparison

1075
00:50:27,570 --> 00:50:25,870
although it doesn't Norma's amount of

1076
00:50:29,670 --> 00:50:27,580
good work I'm not I'm not putting it

1077
00:50:31,770 --> 00:50:29,680
down by any means but it seems like your

1078
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,780
father wanted to do even so much more

1079
00:50:37,140 --> 00:50:34,480
than that yeah and we are we'll listen

1080
00:50:39,720 --> 00:50:37,150
we're further advanced and we were were

1081
00:50:42,540 --> 00:50:39,730
on the road or you're doing this show

1082
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:42,550
you're each doing your own work and I

1083
00:50:47,490 --> 00:50:45,370
think that but boy you know sometimes

1084
00:50:49,170 --> 00:50:47,500
there's there's just such astonishing

1085
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:49,180
darkness out there in the world that you

1086
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:51,520
read in the news and it's very hard to

1087
00:50:55,710 --> 00:50:53,260
stay focused and I really feel that

1088
00:50:58,530 --> 00:50:55,720
everybody listening to this all of us

1089
00:51:01,560 --> 00:50:58,540
have a responsibility to stay as

1090
00:51:04,380 --> 00:51:01,570
possible as positive as possible to be

1091
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:04,390
as kind as possible and to just just

1092
00:51:09,450 --> 00:51:07,210
keep that thought process really clean

1093
00:51:12,750 --> 00:51:09,460
it's important not only for yourself but

1094
00:51:15,060 --> 00:51:12,760
it's important for all of us here yes I

1095
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:15,070
agree and and practice acts of

1096
00:51:19,290 --> 00:51:17,230
loving-kindness wherever you go and

1097
00:51:23,010 --> 00:51:19,300
that's the best we can

1098
00:51:25,950 --> 00:51:23,020
form right yeah because negativity is so

1099
00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:25,960
contagious and you see that you know

1100
00:51:31,020 --> 00:51:28,390
easily in a crowd like I said if the if

1101
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:31,030
the cashier throws your money at you or

1102
00:51:35,370 --> 00:51:33,130
was rude to you and then you get in the

1103
00:51:37,170 --> 00:51:35,380
car and someone cuts you off and then

1104
00:51:39,450 --> 00:51:37,180
you start honking and you get out start

1105
00:51:41,970 --> 00:51:39,460
screaming I mean and in that person it's

1106
00:51:43,380 --> 00:51:41,980
just a chain reaction and I know I read

1107
00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:43,390
a book many years ago by the Dalai Lama

1108
00:51:46,890 --> 00:51:44,920
and they asked him what is the biggest

1109
00:51:50,250 --> 00:51:46,900
problem facing the world today and he

1110
00:51:54,690 --> 00:51:50,260
said anger and boy is that ever true yes

1111
00:51:57,090 --> 00:51:54,700
anger is it's all about us being here on

1112
00:52:01,860 --> 00:51:57,100
earth like angry Apes with guns and that

1113
00:52:04,740 --> 00:52:01,870
seems to be mr. bacon Freeman that seems

1114
00:52:09,630 --> 00:52:04,750
to be the the big issue on earth today

1115
00:52:10,260 --> 00:52:09,640
so in wrapping this up what are you

1116
00:52:12,180 --> 00:52:10,270
doing

1117
00:52:14,010 --> 00:52:12,190
currently is is there something that we

1118
00:52:16,650 --> 00:52:14,020
should know about that you know moving

1119
00:52:19,020 --> 00:52:16,660
forward with your life now is there a

1120
00:52:21,330 --> 00:52:19,030
new project is there a painting

1121
00:52:26,430 --> 00:52:21,340
exhibition or do you want to go through

1122
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:26,440
your your places on the web would you

1123
00:52:34,890 --> 00:52:30,180
like to repeat your contact information

1124
00:52:36,570 --> 00:52:34,900
we can do all of that okay the paintings

1125
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:36,580
and I love people looking at the

1126
00:52:42,420 --> 00:52:39,610
paintings third Philip Smith art calm

1127
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:42,430
and it's Philip with one L the book the

1128
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,330
book website is actually like a little

1129
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:48,160
museum to my father you can see the

1130
00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:50,800
dictation that he took from the spirits

1131
00:52:56,820 --> 00:52:52,390
you can see some of his healing jewels

1132
00:52:58,740 --> 00:52:56,830
Disney you can and unfortunately it was

1133
00:53:00,330 --> 00:52:58,750
a time when there really didn't have

1134
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:00,340
video cameras so I don't have video of

1135
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:02,770
him you can see some pictures of him but

1136
00:53:06,510 --> 00:53:04,240
you can learn a little bit more about

1137
00:53:11,730 --> 00:53:06,520
him at walking through walls the book

1138
00:53:13,860 --> 00:53:11,740
calm I'm slowly - slowly but I am

1139
00:53:17,610 --> 00:53:13,870
working going through all his papers and

1140
00:53:21,110 --> 00:53:17,620
his audio tapes and working to put

1141
00:53:24,060 --> 00:53:21,120
together a book on his healing methods

1142
00:53:26,610 --> 00:53:24,070
it's long overdue and it's going to take

1143
00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:26,620
a lot longer because there's so much

1144
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:30,700
information and it's it's hard writing

1145
00:53:35,820 --> 00:53:32,650
this sort of textbook

1146
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:35,830
of a healer who's not here necessarily

1147
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:38,050
to help me but he seems to be helping me

1148
00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:40,920
because when I write stuff I'm thinking

1149
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:43,900
gee where did this come from it's this

1150
00:53:51,150 --> 00:53:47,610
doesn't sound like me so I think that

1151
00:53:52,830 --> 00:53:51,160
we're working on this together and it's

1152
00:53:54,570 --> 00:53:52,840
going to be a while I don't think it's

1153
00:53:58,380 --> 00:53:54,580
it's it's not out for next Christmas

1154
00:54:01,080 --> 00:53:58,390
I'll tell you that I am working on it

1155
00:54:03,570 --> 00:54:01,090
well good that sounds very good and I

1156
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:03,580
find it fascinating that you are

1157
00:54:08,490 --> 00:54:06,250
basically doing a I guess you could say

1158
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:08,500
a form of automatic writing taking this

1159
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:11,710
dictation from your father and that's

1160
00:54:18,540 --> 00:54:14,890
that's a psychic a psychic skill a

1161
00:54:20,820 --> 00:54:18,550
psychic art all in itself and I I do get

1162
00:54:23,580 --> 00:54:20,830
the definite impression that you are a

1163
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:23,590
very intuitive gentleman i I don't know

1164
00:54:27,570 --> 00:54:25,090
whether you would describe yourself as a

1165
00:54:30,150 --> 00:54:27,580
psychic though I'm sure I mean you could

1166
00:54:33,900 --> 00:54:30,160
if you wanted to but certainly a very

1167
00:54:37,650 --> 00:54:33,910
intuitive man and I can only say thank

1168
00:54:41,940 --> 00:54:37,660
you so much for for gracing us this

1169
00:54:44,610 --> 00:54:41,950
evening with your your work and all the

1170
00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:44,620
wonderful things we've learned yes thank

1171
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:46,090
you for having me it's been a real

1172
00:54:50,310 --> 00:54:47,650
pleasure and you're spreading the word

1173
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:50,320
which is important well I really

1174
00:54:54,120 --> 00:54:52,210
appreciate your being here too you were

1175
00:54:59,550 --> 00:54:54,130
one of the I would say most fun

1176
00:55:01,260 --> 00:54:59,560
interviews we had to listen thank you

1177
00:55:03,390 --> 00:55:01,270
and I hope this goes out to a lot of

1178
00:55:04,770 --> 00:55:03,400
people and and keep up the good work is

1179
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:04,780
what you're doing is really really

1180
00:55:08,070 --> 00:55:05,530
important

1181
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:08,080
Thank You Philip and we'll be in touch

1182
00:55:15,900 --> 00:55:13,450
Thanks nice man I thoroughly enjoyed

1183
00:55:18,270 --> 00:55:15,910
that it was a little bit different to

1184
00:55:21,330 --> 00:55:18,280
other than topics that we don't always

1185
00:55:23,010 --> 00:55:21,340
talk japon it was great yeah I really

1186
00:55:25,890 --> 00:55:23,020
like that he's so well-spoken

1187
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:25,900
anyway now comes the time of the show

1188
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,650
mm-hmm

1189
00:55:32,100 --> 00:55:29,440
called my friends do stuff they write

1190
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:32,110
books they have projects and the first

1191
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:34,450
thing I want to talk about is my friend

1192
00:55:43,860 --> 00:55:39,940
Sharon Smith she has a spiritual road

1193
00:55:46,470 --> 00:55:43,870
trip movie and it's called Saturn saved

1194
00:55:49,470 --> 00:55:46,480
me and it's about her

1195
00:55:52,530 --> 00:55:49,480
variances in India on the bumpy road to

1196
00:55:54,570 --> 00:55:52,540
wisdom weren't worse wisdom yeah it's

1197
00:55:56,240 --> 00:55:54,580
what's one of the towns in there next to

1198
00:55:59,520 --> 00:55:56,250
the Delhi

1199
00:56:01,890 --> 00:55:59,530
Sharon has visited Indian astrologers

1200
00:56:04,380 --> 00:56:01,900
and healers and she had to look for an

1201
00:56:07,650 --> 00:56:04,390
ancient palm leaf that would reveal her

1202
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:07,660
destiny she discovers that her past life

1203
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:09,370
deeds are preventing her from being

1204
00:56:15,990 --> 00:56:12,130
happy as well as keeping her single

1205
00:56:20,220 --> 00:56:16,000
and what's more hmm she has curse a

1206
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:20,230
curse oh yes indeed as a contemporary

1207
00:56:26,340 --> 00:56:23,260
American woman her predicament is both

1208
00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:26,350
humorous and poignant as she confronts

1209
00:56:34,020 --> 00:56:29,800
the collision between Western values and

1210
00:56:35,610 --> 00:56:34,030
Eastern ancient Eastern beliefs the

1211
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:35,620
whole thing is this Sharon has filmed

1212
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:38,410
this whole movie and now she's funding

1213
00:56:43,620 --> 00:56:40,050
money on the crowdsourcing platform

1214
00:56:45,210 --> 00:56:43,630
IndieGoGo to finish this film ok there

1215
00:56:47,940 --> 00:56:45,220
are some great perks she's offering

1216
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:47,950
including many astrology readings and a

1217
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:50,050
ticket to the screening in January in

1218
00:56:54,300 --> 00:56:52,570
New York City hmm I have known Sharon

1219
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:54,310
for over 20 years and I can vouch for

1220
00:56:59,790 --> 00:56:56,170
the fact that this is a worthy project

1221
00:57:00,330 --> 00:56:59,800
ok so if you're interested it's very

1222
00:57:09,330 --> 00:57:00,340
funny

1223
00:57:11,130 --> 00:57:09,340
please visit www.sap.com/learnbi oh it's

1224
00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:11,140
every little bit helps even if it's only

1225
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:11,830
5 bucks

1226
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:14,530
everything helps ok and on earth just

1227
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:16,510
further with this my friends write books

1228
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:20,650
of the vegetarian flavor bible by Karen

1229
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:23,890
page mentions me for richer as having

1230
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:26,350
led her to a vegetarian eatery in New

1231
00:57:31,620 --> 00:57:29,440
York City la Francia which she thought

1232
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:31,630
she wouldn't like but after eating there

1233
00:57:37,050 --> 00:57:35,110
she was very pleasantly surprised this

1234
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:37,060
was a number of years before the book

1235
00:57:42,090 --> 00:57:39,370
which is just coming out now and before

1236
00:57:44,250 --> 00:57:42,100
she became a vegetarian it's a wonderful

1237
00:57:47,490 --> 00:57:44,260
book for those who follow a vegetarian

1238
00:57:49,980 --> 00:57:47,500
or a vegan diet and also for those who

1239
00:57:52,140 --> 00:57:49,990
are trying to cut down on animal product

1240
00:57:56,100 --> 00:57:52,150
consumption want to save those little

1241
00:58:00,120 --> 00:57:56,110
Pussycats and yeah it's a thick book

1242
00:58:00,420 --> 00:58:00,130
it's just incredibly like it's got so

1243
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:00,430
much

1244
00:58:05,970 --> 00:58:02,770
information in it the sumptuous photos

1245
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:05,980
are by Karen's very cute husband Andrew

1246
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:10,329
Dornan Berg now this is the last book to

1247
00:58:14,279 --> 00:58:12,160
talk about it is quite something

1248
00:58:17,099 --> 00:58:14,289
interesting but in a strange little

1249
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:17,109
weird way it hits upon what Phillip

1250
00:58:22,309 --> 00:58:20,170
Smith was talking about synchronous of

1251
00:58:25,289 --> 00:58:22,319
synchronicity automatic writing and a

1252
00:58:27,900 --> 00:58:25,299
very lovely lady who is a good singer

1253
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:27,910
named Diane way bright always a friend

1254
00:58:33,809 --> 00:58:31,119
of mine as well she wrote a sweet little

1255
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:33,819
book called of all things now this is

1256
00:58:39,930 --> 00:58:37,569
odd the burping bottle discourses it's

1257
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,940
just a very charming little book she

1258
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:42,160
wrote it she illustrated it and it's a

1259
00:58:49,549 --> 00:58:45,369
very gentle introduction into the idea

1260
00:58:53,819 --> 00:58:49,559
that you can write things that are

1261
00:58:56,279 --> 00:58:53,829
channeled lightly um and so she she had

1262
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:56,289
a bottle of water when she was living in

1263
00:59:01,440 --> 00:58:59,920
the desert and it started to burp one

1264
00:59:03,269 --> 00:59:01,450
day after she had this bottle you know

1265
00:59:05,339 --> 00:59:03,279
like one of these reusable water bottles

1266
00:59:06,930 --> 00:59:05,349
all of a sudden it started to burp she's

1267
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:06,940
used it for a couple of months before

1268
00:59:15,690 --> 00:59:12,130
this and as it started to burp she

1269
00:59:17,430 --> 00:59:15,700
realized that it was telling herself so

1270
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:17,440
she started to ask it like yes or no

1271
00:59:24,450 --> 00:59:19,930
questions and then she found it to be

1272
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:24,460
like a push to write and she would write

1273
00:59:30,450 --> 00:59:26,880
things that she felt were like

1274
00:59:33,089 --> 00:59:30,460
spiritually channeled but not like my

1275
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:33,099
name is ork from ork and I'm telling you

1276
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:35,770
but more like gentle spiritual advice

1277
00:59:43,470 --> 00:59:38,730
and it's just a very sweet little book

1278
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:43,480
called the burping bottle discourse is

1279
00:59:49,260 --> 00:59:47,170
published by Hermes house press so we

1280
00:59:55,740 --> 00:59:49,270
had a vegetarian book followed by a

1281
00:59:59,370 --> 00:59:55,750
burping bottle yes my friends are weird

1282
01:00:02,279 --> 00:59:59,380
so in finality here just about to say

1283
01:00:05,420 --> 01:00:02,289
goodbye right we invite you gentle

1284
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:05,430
listener to suggest guests for us submit

1285
01:00:12,299 --> 01:00:09,609
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1286
01:00:14,289 --> 01:00:12,309
of all like our Facebook page which is

1287
01:00:17,400 --> 01:00:14,299
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1288
01:00:20,919 --> 01:00:17,410
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1289
01:00:23,289 --> 01:00:20,929
podcast designation so go to shattered

1290
01:00:26,579 --> 01:00:23,299
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1291
01:00:27,729 --> 01:00:26,589
band and like our page and our website

1292
01:00:32,289 --> 01:00:27,739
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1293
01:00:35,859 --> 01:00:32,299
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1294
01:00:37,569 --> 01:00:35,869
we will answer comments absolutely and

1295
01:00:40,959 --> 01:00:37,579
until next time

1296
01:00:41,380 --> 01:00:40,969
Purusha i will say goodbye and good